Fanaticism (Part 4: Problems for anti-fanatical decision theories)

There is no falsification before the emergence of a better theory.

Imre Lakatos, “Falsification and the methodology of scientific research programmes.”

1. Introduction

This is Part 4 in my series Fanaticism.

Longtermist interventions look best on fanatical decision theories on which any certain gain can be outweighed by arbitrarily small probabilities of sufficiently large gains. This series evaluates the case for fanaticism.

Part 1 introduced fanaticism and its relationship to longtermism, then gave some reasons to doubt fanaticism. Part 2 surveyed further reasons for doubt.

However, we saw in Part 3 that there are also good reasons to doubt anti-fanaticism.

Continuing in this vein, today’s post begins with a simple challenge: is there an anti-fanatical decision theory that performs better than leading fanatical competitors? We will see that two leading anti-fanatical decision theories both face serious challenges. As a result, even those unhappy with fanaticism may also be unhappy with anti-fanaticism.

2. Bounded utilities

Many longtermists are sympathetic to expected utility theory. They think that agents should assign probabilistic credences p to states and utilities u to outcomes, then act to maximize expected utility given p and u.

Within expected utility theory, there is a remarkably simple characterization of anti-fanaticism. Expected utility maximizers are anti-fanatical if, and only if their utility function is bounded.

A bounded utility function

To see that bounded utilities are sufficient for anti-fanaticism, let n be a utility value at least halfway to the upper bound of u(x). Then for any p < 1/2, a p-wise chance at any prize, no matter how large, has expected utility beneath n. So our bounded expected utility maximizer will not accept any uncertain prize with probability p < 1/2 over a certain gain of utility n.

To see that bounded utilities are necessary for anti-fanaticism, let n be any utility value and let p be any positive probability. If u were unbounded, then we could find an outcome with value greater than np. A p-wise chance at this outcome would then be preferred to a certain gain of n. Since p,n were arbitrary, fanaticism follows.

What should we make of bounded utility theory? Certainly, it is a well-pedigreed academic theory. And there are many circumstances in which bounded utilities are plausible. They are especially plausible for consumption goods, because there are only so many of them that we can consume or even sell.

For example, consider the utility of pints of beer. Plausibly, one is much better than none, since you can drink it. Likewise, two million pints of beer are somewhat better than a million, because you can sell them. But two quadrillion pints of beer are not appreciably better than one quadrillion pints of beer. There is not much you can do to drink or sell the excess.

However, bounded utilities are less plausible when we consider outcomes expressed in years of happy life. Suppose the world contained a quadrillion happy life-years. It is not so clear that this would make additional years of happy life insignificant, or even less valuable than previous years.

If utilities were really bounded when expressed in years of happy life, then there would have to be some number N such that, in a universe with N years of happy life, adding a quadrillion more years of happy life would do less good than curing a hangnail would do today. That is a very hard pill to swallow. It is plausible for pints of beer, but not for years of happy life. It is just not obvious that the value of happy life-years should tend to an asymptotic bound in the same way that the utilities of consumption goods should.

3. Nicolausian discounting

The best-known anti-fanatical decision theory is Nicolausian discounting (Monton 2019). Nicolausian discounting holds that very low probabilities should be ignored in decisionmaking. That is, Nicolausian disocunting posits a threshold ε such that outcomes with probability below ε are ignored during decisionmaking.

This proposal cannot be quite right as it stands. Suppose I offer to extend your life by a real number r of years, with r selected uniformly from the interval [0,100]. Each outcome r has probability 0, so will be discounted. Nicolausian discounting therefore forces you to value my gamble at the value of the status quo. That isn’t plausible. There are good bugfixes to this problem (Beckstead and Thomas 2024) which need not concern us here, other than to remember that formulating a good anti-fanatical decision theory is sometimes trickier than it appears.

The challenge for Nicolausian discounting is that it does not always look rational to ignore low-probability events. For example, consider an option which pays a nickel with probability 1-p and destroys human civilization with probability p. As Yoaav Isaacs (2016) notes, for p < ε, Nicolausian discounters ignore the low-probability harm and value this option at the value of a nickel. But I’ll wager that many of my readers would like to refuse this gamble, and that is not because they dislike free money.

Another problem is that Nicolausian discounting forces rational numbers to be assigned as the expected utilities of gambles, so long as each outcome has rational utility. That is because only finitely many outcomes will remain undiscounted, and the rational numbers are closed under multiplication and finite summation. However, it is not clear that we should always want to assign rational expected utilities to gambles of this sort.

Consider the Pasadena game (Nover and Hajek 2004). The Pasadena game is a modification of the St Petersburg gamble that we met in Part 2. In this game, you flip a fair coin until it lands heads. You then receive payoff with utility -1n-12n/n, where n is the number of flips. For example, you receive utility 2 for one flip, -2 for two flips, 8/3 for three flips, and so on. While there is no agreed-upon proposal for how the Pasadena game should be valued, one leading proposal has it that the game should be valued at its weak expectation ln(2) (Easwaran 2008).

But Nicolausian discounters cannot say this. Under Nicolausian discounting, the Pasadena game has rational expected utility. And ln(2) is not a rational number. The upshot of this discussion is that Nicolausian discounting may be a more restrictive theory than it appears.

4. Taking stock

Every decision theory has problems. A virtue of fanaticism is that fanatics are very often willing to state and defend fanatical decision theories. While these theories have problems, fanatics stress that opposing theories are not often developed, and when they are, they have problems of their own.

This post surveyed two leading anti-fanatical decision theories. The first (Section 2) works within expected utility theory, bounding utilities to achieve anti-fanaticism. We saw that bounded utilities may be plausible for typical consumer goods. However, it is much harder to justify bounded utility functions in moral outcomes such as years of human life.

The second anti-fanatical decision theory, Nicolausian discounting, ignores outcomes with sufficiently low probability in calculating expected utilities (Section 3). This has some tough consequences. For example, options that promise trivial gains against catastrophic losses can be valued at the value of the gains, if the catastrophic losses are improbable enough. Moreover, Nicolausian discounting imposes hidden restrictions on the value of gambles, such as the requirement that gambles whose outcomes have rational utility be assigned rational expected values. These requirements can be more restrictive than they appear.

Are the drawbacks of these anti-fanatical decision theories enough to outweigh their benefits? Should new anti-fanatical decision theories be developed and considered? Perhaps. But it would be nice to have a better-performing anti-fanatical bird in hand before rejecting fanaticism. At least for my own part, I cannot name any anti-fanatical decision theory that I am ready to endorse. That gives me pause in rejecting fanaticism.

Comments

6 responses to “Fanaticism (Part 4: Problems for anti-fanatical decision theories)”

  1. kaikaun Avatar
    kaikaun

    With regard to bounded utility, it seems strange that you only consider monotonic utility functions. It seems intuitive to me that there is some N years of happy life for humanity that is optimal, beyond which utility should decrease. A universe with quintillions of people living happily for Graham’s number of years does not sound like a good thing. It sounds like a prison, an inability to change and move beyond happiness or life. An optimal existence to me must include a timely and fitting ending, whether for one individual or all individuals. If non-monotonic functions are allowed, then your objection no longer holds. More life (or whatever) past a point is actively harmful. There is a single, optimal state which cannot be improved upon, a maximum to the function.

    With regard to Nicolausian discounting, my take is that it is less that small probabilities shouldn’t be considered, but that they can’t be known. The epistemic challenges in nearly all cases to knowing that something in real life truly has a 10^-1000 chance of happening (vs 10^-100 or 10^-10) are typically grave. So it’s not a matter of saying that small probabilities don’t matter, but that we can’t make decisions based on probabilities we don’t know well enough. If we truly knew a small probability with enough confidence, then sure, make a decision based on that. But in nearly all cases relevant to longtermism (as argued in this essay series) that is not so. This turns it from a moral to an epistemic or practical argument, but I think it better captures what people actually think about the tiny probabilities longermists deploy so readily.

    1. David Thorstad Avatar

      Thanks Kaikaun!

      **On bounded utility functions**

      That’s an interesting thought on bounded utility functions. Many population ethicists would want to distinguish two questions. First, for any given individual, does adding more years of happy life to that individual’s lifetime make them (or the world) better? Second, for any given world, does adding new individuals who will live (reasonably-sized) happy lives make the world better?

      Many people would be sympathetic to your answer to the first question: after a while, it might be a bit of a drag to keep on living. In this vein, many philosophers have argued that immortality might actually be a terrible thing. These aren’t my views, but they are commonly held.

      Many people would be less sympathetic to your answer to the second question, at least unless they are anti-natalists. Some people think that creating new happy people makes the world neither better nor worse than before. But it is harder to find grounds on which adding new happy people would make the world worse. Their lives seem to be worth living, and that seems to be a good thing.

      **On Nicolausian discounting**

      This is very similar to my own view, articulated in papers such as “The scope of longtermism”. It’s also the stance I am likely to take in my forthcoming book on longtermism.

      Namely, even on fanatical decision theories, some longshots are worth taking and some are not. It’s hard to see the future, and hard to affect it, so that we might want to assign relatively low probability to longtermist interventions providing the benefits they claim. And if that probability is low enough, even expected utility theory will say to fund short-termist interventions instead.

      I think that sometimes people are driven to deny fanaticism because they think that if they accept fanaticism, longtermists will easily win the day. In this vein, I find it striking that some of the hardest academics to sell on longtermism have been economists. These folks aren’t (by and large) skeptical of fanaticism. They just don’t believe that the numbers work out in favor of longtermist interventions on leading decision theories.

  2. Matrice Jacobine Avatar

    > If utilities were really bounded when expressed in years of happy life, then there would have to be some number N such that, in a universe with N years of happy life, adding a quadrillion more years of happy life would do less good than curing a hangnail would do today. That is a very hard pill to swallow. It is plausible for pints of beer, but not for years of happy life. It is just not obvious that the value of happy life-years should tend to an asymptotic bound in the same way that the utilities of consumption goods should.

    This doesn’t follow if you just take the bounded utility function to be $b \circ u$ with $b$ the bounding function you show and $u$ the risk-neutral utility function. $b \circ u$ give the same ordering over world-states as $u$ and will therefore act identical in all risk-free trade-offs, and only differ in how it handle risk.

    1. David Thorstad Avatar

      Thanks Matrice!

      You’re quite right that we can transform an unbounded utility function $u$ into a bounded utility function $b \circ u$ for $b$ monotonically increasing and bounded. As you mention, since b is monotonically increasing, $b \circ u$ and $u$ will agree in their rankings of outcomes. This shows that if we only observe preferences over certain outcomes, then unbounded and bounded utilities are observationally indistinguishable.

      The claim in the post was meant to be a claim about utility, understood as a measure of the moral value of outcomes. Moral value is often taken to have cardinal significance, which will not be preserved under the proposed transform. (It’s possible that you don’t believe in cardinally significant representations of moral value, in which case my claims about value wouldn’t make any sense).

      Under the true moral value function u, there will be some difference u(SQ + NoHangnail) – u(SQ) between the moral value of the status quo, with an additional hangnail cured, and the moral value of the original status quo. We will be able to find some outcome s.t. u(o) is closer than u(SQ + NoHangnail) – u(SQ) to the upper bound of u. In this case, the original claim will hold: there is no additional number of happy lives that can be added to o that will add as much value as curing a hangnail does today.

      1. Matrice Jacobine Avatar

        > (It’s possible that you don’t believe in cardinally significant representations of moral value, in which case my claims about value wouldn’t make any sense).

        I don’t know if there are cardinally significant representations of moral value, but if there are I think it shouldn’t be taken as axiomatic that they correspond to the cardinal representation given by the VNM theorem (even if the agent is in fact VNM-rational). The VNM cardinal representation is about risk and should be understood to be about risk alone.

        That said there are arguments for such a strong link existing under plausible assumptions (Harsanyi’s theorem, ex post Pareto), but they seem to yield really weird and intuitively socially unfair results if you consider the problem of aggregating the choices of agents with different attitudes to risk, so I’m not sure what to think of those.

        1. David Thorstad Avatar

          Agreed, anyone who wants to say these things should think there’s more to moral value than the vNM axioms.

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